Milton on my mind…

I know class is over, but I can’t stop mulling over Milton in my mind.  In fact today, throughout my reading of Hebrews 1, I was picturing Paradise Lost. I must say I do enjoy a new perspective on what I read, but will this persist, will Milton color the outlook of everything I read, I wonder? Just a thought. Thank you Dr. Campbell for an enlightening class. Also a thank you to all of my classmates who helped to make this a great summer experience.

madly studying (and therefore, going a little mad)

I’m here going over everything, specifically “A Masque at Ludlow Castle” right now, and my notes in the margins and in my notebook are really quite funny. I read them aloud to Madeline and Rachel today already, but they are striking me as very entertaining right now, especially out of context. Some life lessons, perhaps. Ha. Though in context they make perfect sense. Some of them.

Random Notes on Milton’s “Masque”

“…so to lose virginity is to participate in the ultimate earthy degradation”

“A healthy, blissful marriage is to be aspired to.”

“Drunkenness –> misery = arrogance and ignorance”

“Lust leads to the pollution of the soul.”

Me, to Comus, as he tries to take the Lady’s virginity: “It’s special dude, not something she can just throw away” (and yes, I actually wrote this in the margin)

And, to sum it up: “After Comus sticks her to the chair (with semen??), she never speaks again”

I actually am taking useful notes on my legal pad, I’m sorry I’m not sharing all that. Maybe in a little while I’ll post something more substantive/helpful. )

Early reflections.

So I’m still letting the dust settle in my head–I assume tomorrow’s exam will only raise the clouds up again–and therefore I’m not really ready to start reflecting on this class yet.  But some things I know: I’ve been changed (for the better, I’d like to think); I’ve thought about things in new combinations, new ways; I’ve learned about far more than just Milton; I’ve written the longest paper of my life thus far (which I didn’t really think I could do!); and far from insignificant, I’ve grown to have a real love for our class.  No matter how I do, gradewise, I know I’ve learned a lot, grown, and have had an experience I will definitely value.

From the meeting today at the Hyperion we got started talking about all our favorite books. To that end, I’ve compiled a brief list of some books I’ve read and enjoyed. I’m not saying these are all amazing, I’m not saying they’re all great literature, but I think there’s something to get out of every book here. If I were to recommend three to go for first, I would say: Paradise, by Toni Morrison; The Sound and the Fury, by William Faulkner; and Straight Man, Richard Russo. A lot of that is just based on my feeling right now, but they’re all rewarding texts. And of course if you haven’t read Catcher in the Rye, I really don’t know what you’re waiting for. So here’s the list:

FICTION
J. D. Salinger, Catcher in the Rye
J. D. Salinger, Nine Stories
J. D. Salinger, Franny and Zooey
Michael Chabon, Wonder Boys
Richard Russo, Straight Man
Richard Russo, Empire Falls
Richard Russo, Bridge of Sighs
Saul Bellow, Henderson the Rain King
Saul Bellow, Herzog
Toni Morrison, Jazz
Toni Morrison, Song of Solomon
Toni Morrison, Paradise
Toni Morrison, Sula
Thomas Pynchon, Crying of Lot 49
Gloria Naylor, Bailey’s Cafe
Gloria Naylor, Mama Day
Haruki Murakami, The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle
Haruki Murakami, The Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World
Haruki Murakami, Kafka on the Shore
Flannery O’Connor, Collected Short Stories
Flannery O’Connor, Wise Blood
Cormac McCarthy, Child of God
Cormac McCarthy, The Road
William Faulkner, The Sound and the Fury
Diana Wynne Jones, Fire and Hemlock
Diana Wynne Jones, The Homeward Bounders
A. S. Byatt, Possession
China Mieville, Perdido Street Station
China Mieville, The Scar
China Mieville, Looking for Jake
Neal Stephenson, The Diamond Age
Neal Stephenson, Snow Crash
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Cats-Eye-Margaret-Atwood/dp/0385491026/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216856560&sr=1-6"Margaret Atwood, Catseye
Margaret Atwood, The Handmaid’s Tale
Margaret Atwood, Oryx and Crake
Seamus Heaney (trans.), Beowulf
John Gardner, Grendel
Don DeLillo, The Body Artist
Mark Z Danielewski, House of Leaves
Jhumpa Lahiri, Interpreter of Maladies

POETRY
Lia Purpura, Stone Sky Lifting
Lia Purpura, The Brighter the Veil
Faith Shearin, The Owl Question
Octavio Paz, Collected Poems 1957-1987 (Bilingual)
Pablo Neruda, Poems
Wallace Stevens, Collected Poems

NONFICTION
Bill Buford, Heat
Michael Pollan, The Omnivore’s Dilemma
Flannery O’Connor, Mystery and Manners (Essays)
Flannery O’Connor, The Habit of Being (Collected Letters)
Italo Calvino, Six Memos for the Next Millennium
Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything
S. I. Hayakawa, Language in Thought and Action

In addition, I’m going to try to write a little bit in here every time I finish a book. That’s a pretty hefty goal, but I’d like to try to live up to it if I can. I already have some stuff lined up for my brief break before fall semester: The Bluest Eye, Dante’s Divine Comedy, Absalom, Absalom!, Aristophanes, Aeschylus, Dickens, Austen, and Woolf. And scads more, of course, but that’s what’s lined up right now.

And hopping on the trend started by Madeline and Emma: here is my paper. I highly suggest you do yourself a favor and skim it, if you’re planning on really reading it. Like most, I felt the time crunch in a highly uncomfortable way.

I know I’m going to be thinking about this class for a long time, but I’m already starting to miss it. We’ll just have to keep in touch.

THE PAPER

Like Madeline, I am going to share my paper with you all:here it is. I wish I had a few more weeks to work on it, but as I told Dr. C before I turned it in, it is what it is.

a few reflections

I meant to blog yesterday, but truly I could not. I had been so intensely thinking about Milton for five days (Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday I was focused on Paradise Lost almost exclusively, everything abandoned for the sake of my presentation and paper) and once everything was done my brain was just exhausted. I’m sure you guys can relate. I could hardly even talk to anyone after class, I sort of just ignored my housemates and went to Borders to wander around for awhile. After such an intense experience (because I really think that intense is one of the only words that works here) with such a complicated, beautiful, unbelievable work (and author, might I add) it was suddenly just…over. My mind was really only capable of wandering, wondering how we had managed to pack all that into five weeks, wondering about how much I had learned a grew from this experience. Because I know I have. I’m not sure about all the ways the seminar has changed me yet, but I know eventually I will discover the little ripples of change this class, this professor and this poet have sent my way. I can predict what some of the changes will be, or even some that I can already notice. I think I am a more mature reader, a more discerning and thoughtful reader. Because Milton is so interrelated and meaningful and charged with all sorts of ideas and humor and seriousness, I know I will seek such depth from the books and poems I read in the future. I am definitely converted technologically, which excites me. I learned about delicious, blogs and blogging…and I do hope to continue this blog, not as one exclusively devoted to Milton, but about all the books I read. I hope others in class continue to blog or start a new one. The blog is something I have not really enjoyed in my English classes before, but this seminar has opened my eyes to how useful and exciting blogs can be. Well, I am about to go meet some of the class to study for the final (!!) so I will wrap this up. I want to thank everyone (Madeline, Rachel, Kim, Brittany, and Emily) in our seminar. I think we were so lucky to have such a wonderful mix of people and so very lucky to have such a small class! I’m sure I don’t think I’ve ever been in such an ideal learning environment, and I probably won’t experience it again. And finally, thank you Dr. Campbell for sharing your time, knowledge and passion with us. I know it has changed me as a student and probably a person, too. It was a great class, I only wish it had been weeks and weeks longer.

Integrity and Vegetative Imagery in PL, II

Again, because sharing is cool: here is my Milton Seminar research paper,  or at least the draft that I turned in to be graded. It may change in time, but I thought it would be neat to show our progress with each other.

Studying & Celebration

Hey all,

First, I want to say what a pleasure it’s been to share this Milton Seminar with you. I think we’ve worked really well as a group, raised good issues, and learned lots. However, our work isn’t quite done: we have an exam on Thursday. Duh. 

Some of us had expressed interest in getting together Wednesday to study. Is that still something people are interested in doing? I for one wouldn’t mind at least a little discussion / review session, and I’m pretty flexible in terms of time and location. (I would even be willing to host some studying here, at my house, but I do live more than an hour from Fredericksburg, and have various and sundry pets to disrupt people, so… that might not be the best idea. But hey, I’ll at least throw it out there.) Think about it; hopefully it’ll come up in class, too.

Also, how about dinner on Thursday? I know some people are busy, but it’s been a marathon five weeks, and it would be nice to decompress a little at the end of it all. It doesn’t have to be fancy… we could eat somewhere like Sammy T’s downtown, or have a potluck on campus, or get pizza, or whatever. So think about that, too, whether you’d be interested and where / what you might like to eat.

 That’s all for now. Good luck in the final stretch! I’ll see you in class.

Madeline.

Justice is Sweet

I would like to comment real quick on the sweet justice of Satan’s punishment. First of all, he is denied any kind of dramatic showdown with God or the Son. No more epic battles or glorious defeat. Nor does he get to play the martyr he so loves to be. He steals away, and God takes care of things without having to actually face him. Furthermore, Satan is denied the satisfaction of slinking back to his minions and misrepresenting events—because as far as he knows, the trip to Eden has been an unmitigated success. Satan sneaks back into Hell triumphant and joyful. God gives him just enough time to really get going and then—wham—cuts him down. Satan thinks he’s outsmarted God; he thinks the snake has taken the punishment. So to be turned into a snake, a groveling slithering belly crawling snake… what a humiliation. Everything about this punishment is perfect. Even its annual recurrence—just enough to remind the devils who’s really in charge—is brilliant. Kudos, Milton, for making God’s justice so awesome.

(Also, I think it’s sweet that Adam and Eve submit to their punishment and in doing so, contribute to the crushing of the snake’s head and whatnot. They are both serving God and haranguing Satan. At least in theory. Nifty.)

(Also also, I love God’s description of his ‘hell-hounds.’ It might not sit well with my impression of what a good deity should be like, but all the same, I love it.)

Book XI and XII

I was disappointed with book XI and XII, I felt that perhaps if Michael had shown Adam these horrific things prior to eating the fruit then perhaps it would have prevented the Fall. It would seem to me that Adam would be depressed at the future not uplifted. To see the earth destroyed by flood because man had sunk so low, and knowing it was due to your and your wife’s actions, would be enough to finish off anyone. The redemption of man though somewhat comforting would not be enough to undo all of the horror that went before. The way in which they left Eden seemed too pat. They would have been distraught, not simply shedding a few tears.  I guess I am disappointed with Milton’s wrap up of his Epic. I knew how the story would end because I have read the Bible, but it was  such a hurried conclusion  after the beauty of the story up to the Fall. I wanted something more or a different ending, it was an emotional let down for me, but perhaps I am being too dramatic.

On Typology

I believe typology to be very important for people to learn how the past relates to the present. However as we discussed in class yesterday, it can become a hinderance when people attempt to over compare. As with the Bible, it can cause one to wonder about the validity of the stories were they simply contrived to support other issues? However, they can’t be false because typology is based on historically accurate data. I believe that if one looks hard enough they will be able to find comparisons with anything they want to. It would  behoove us to not be easily persuaded and to use our own common sense when analyzing typology and analogy.

Foreshadowings, etc.

So today’s talk of typology was hugely interesting and now I sort of feel like I should go read the Bible through a couple times and try and catch some of this stuff myself.  But seeing as I am, like everyone else I think, being swallowed up by a paper at the moment, that doesn’t sound too feasible.  I do sort of see how it connects into the paper writing, though, and beyond that prose writing (which is where my head is usually stuck, anyway).

Telling stories, you do get to play God a little bit. (And here is one continual item of frustration: spring semester, in Contemporary American Fiction, Professor Stewart gave an eloquent little talk about why God doesn’t tell stories, we tell stories. And now I can’t remember any of it but I know it was good and would help out here. So frustrating!) But when you start to tell enough stories, you begin to make them, well, better. Fuller and wholer. It’s like doing anything enough: as long as you put a certain amount of your head in the process and as long as you persist, you begin to get better at it. Keep doing it and you’ll find, looking back over what you’ve written, that things loop up the way they should. Seeds were planted before you knew you needed the tree, I guess. Things come to fruition in a more natural way. (What is with all the vegetative metaphors? It’s leaking through from my paper, I guess…) Anyway, seeing this, it’s a little easier to think about things as God makes them, at least for me. Sometimes you just have to plant things and wait a while before they sprout.

maybe someone can explain this to me

So my presentation on typology has me thinking all about time and the relationships between all the characters, etc. and all the work I’ve done on it today reminded me of something I”ve had a problem with since Book 3, but never bothered to ask about. So the Son offers to take the fall for mankind in Book 3…man doesn’t fall until Book 9? How does this compute? Am I totally missing something? God knows man will fall all the way back in Book 3?! (I mean, he actually knows about the fall and redemption in the first few lines of the epic, as I will talk about in my presentation, but seriously, they actually talk about it in Book 3). I just have trouble reconciling the timeline here, of the books. Do they occur in chronological order? Or since time before the fall is eternal does it really not matter when the Son decided to take the punishment to redeem mankind? If they decided way back when, why did God wait so long to send his son to earth? Anyway, I know everyone is busy with their papers (me too, I should be writing right now) but this question has been on my mind for awhile.

C.S. Lewis

I’m in the process of digging this information up, but I thought I would ask just in case:

Does anyone have the quote of what C.S. Lewis said about Milton’s idea of angel sex? I believe it was in his ‘Preface to Paradise Lost,’ but I don’t have the exact source or wording.

Integrity and Vegetative Imagery in ‘Paradise Lost’

Because sharing is what humans do best…

For my paper I’m exploring thematic and poetic integrity in Paradise Lost, focusing on Kerrigan’s ontological vegetable and other vegetative images. Basically, that means I’m expanding on the second half of my presentation, trying to show that Milton was committed to a universe that was truly “one matter all.” The whole of creation is one big ontological vegetable. So, as I did in my presentation, I will look in depth at a small section of Book V and then several passages from Book VII. I don’t have an introduction just yet–they’re too hard to write–but here is an outline of what I hope to accomplish with my paper:

  1. Define ‘integrity’ as I mean it in reference to Milton - this will probably happen in the introduction, to get me in the ballpark for my actual argument
  2. See this integrity illustrated
    1. In a single passage (Kerrigan and the ontological vegetable) - this will segue from the introduction to the body of MY argument
    2. In Book VII
      1. Images of the Earth as seed
      2. Images of the plants
      3. Images of the animals as plants
      4. The creation of Man - how it is a part of the pattern, how it is different

 I’m especially interested in exploring how Man’s creation differs from the rest of Book VII. There are some interesting ways that it departs from the plant model, but at the same time it is still a part of the whole. I don’t know how thoroughly I’ll work these issues out, but I will at least raise some questions. It am part of the critical dialogue, yes?

I’m going to be relying heavily on Kerrigan as my theoretical base, but I think I’ll pull in other critics here and there. We shall see.

I’d be interested to hear any suggestions, comments, or questions you have about this. I think it should turn out fairly well, although I suppose only time will tell on that.

Good luck to you with your work! Only a few days left of this bizarre and wonderful Milton experience…

Papers?

Hey everyone… how’s your paper going?  Anyone have any worries/concerns/excitement they need to share?

And er, does anyone know the correct way to cite a quotation from Paradise Lost? I’m slightly unsure…

Satan’s argument

I took Philosophy 151B last semester, which is called Introductory Logic. I had Professor Emswiler, who is a serious trip. I loved her. It is a great great class and I learned a lot; I really recommend taking it. When reading Satan’s argument to Eve and talking about it in class on Wednesday I was reminded of a section of Logic where were learned about fallacies. A fallacy is part of an argument that renders the entire argument invalid because it is flawed in some way.Dr. Campbell kept mentioning the way Satan had created a perfect argument because he reasoned in circles, therefore tricking Eve. Well, if Eve had taken Phil 151 she would have known not to fall for such faulty logic. I’m pretty sure that Satan has used several fallacies in his argument (I’m sure that someone, somewhere has already analyzed it logically, and I am in no way an expert, but it’s interesting to think about).

First I would argue that Satan’s entire argument is a fallacy of weak induction because it is an appeal to an unqualified authority. This is an argument from an authority in which the authority lacks credibility. A “real life” example of this fallacy we had in class was: “After examining the new mole on my neck, my hairstylist told me that it will get better by drinking herbal tea. Since she is a good stylist, my neck should get better if I drink herbal tea.” Since this is an example, it is fairly obvious to see the fallacy of the argument and why it’s not valid. In PL, Eve’s highest authority is God; she knows this. Satan asserts himself (as a talking serpent, no less) as an authority on something he has no way of knowing, and Eve falls for this appeal to an unqualified authority. “Look on me,/Me who have touched and tasted, yet both live” (IX, 687-688). This animal has no authority regarding the tree and the fruit, yet the argument appeals to Eve anyway. Eve should have known not to trust a lowly creature before trusting God, Adam and herself. Fallacies are really tricky, though. What also makes this entire scene interesting is that Satan is being hypocritical (he’s not really a serpent, he has never tasted the fruit, etc.) and Milton stated earlier (in Book III) that only God could discern hypocrisy.

I would also argue that Satan commits several fallacies of presumption too. He definitely utilizes complex questions, which is when multiple questions are hidden in a single question. The example from class was: “Does the president really believe that the American public is so naive that they will endorse large cuts in our Medicare benefits for seniors? He’d respond ‘No’, of course, so there should be no cuts.” I’m pretty sure every question Satan asks in loaded in this manner. “Look on me,/Me who have touched and tasted, yet both live,/And life more perfect have attained than fate/Meant me, by venturing higher than my lot./Shall that be shut to man, which to the beast/is open?” (IX, 687-692). Or perhaps: “And wherein lies/The offense, that man should this attain to know?/What can your knowledge hurt him, or this tree/Impart against his will is all be his?” (IX, 725-728). I’m not sure if those are perfect examples, but I think you can get the idea.

A second fallacy of presumption (this is the going around in circles one!!) is called begging the question, and I’m pretty sure it’s what Satan does here: “Of evil, if what is evil/ Be real, what not known, since easier shunned?/God therefore cannot hurt ye, and be just; / Not just, not God; not feared then, nor obeyed: / Your fear of death itself removes the fear” (IX, 700-703). When using this fallacy, the arguer creates the illusion that inadequate premises are adequate by leaving out a key premise, by restating the conclusion as a premise pr by reasoning in a circle. The example from class was: “Everyone believes what Senator Henry says because he is the most credible member of the Senate. He is the most credible member of the Senate because everyone believes what he says.” I think Satan uses this fallacy much more complexly than the example; and I think it’s funny the definition is basically what we were saying in class about it!

Finally, I noticed one last fallacy in Satan’s argument, one towards the beginning, a fallacy of relevance. The red herring fallacy is committed when the arguer diverts the attention of the listener by changing the subject to a different but subtly related topic. The class example was: “The Civil Rights Initiative forbids discrimination on the grounds of race or sex. Bathrooms are segregated by sex. Ladies, do we want to use the same bathrooms as me? Obviously, we should not adopt this initiative.” Satan is so clever and subtle with this: “Queen of this universe, do not believe/Those rigid threats of death; ye shall not die:/How should ye? By the fruit? It gives you life/To knowledge. By the threatener? Look on me,/Me who have touched and tasted, yet both live” (IX, 684-688). While reading this all I could think was, Um GOD?! Does he not have something to do with this?! Isn’t he the one that has to do with your death is you eat this?! God and God’s law is the most relevant part of the argument, yet Satan diverts the attention away from him. And Eve falls.

Fallacies are really tricky to spot a lot of the time and many people win arguments based on faulty logic (i.e. Satan). So Eve can’t really be BLAMED but she is not totally innocent victim. All the verbal runaround made her lose her head. If, as Dr. C likes to talk about, she had actually caught on to Satan’s logical flaws, just imagine how much she would have grown intellectual and spiritually… Anyway, my totally amateur take on the whole thing.

Neruda.

“Hidden”

Hidden

If you place a fern
under a stone
the next day it will be
nearly invisible
as if the stone has
swallowed it.

If you tuck the name of a loved one
under your tongue too long
without speaking it
it becomes blood
sigh
the little sucked-in breath of air
hiding everywhere
beneath your words.

No one sees
the fuel that feeds you.

Naomi Shihab Nye
Fuel

“You Decide To Bring Her Flowers”

You Decide To Bring Her Flowers

You decide to bring her flowers even though it’s
your first date and you’re scared you’re coming
on too strong and you don’t even know if it’s a
date-date or just a date but you decide to bring
her flowers even though you think maybe she just
wants a new friend though you remind yourself
she’s the one who called and asked you out to
dinner but she can’t really have a crush on you
can she, so you decide to take the risk and bring her
flowers because all your life you’ve tried to
second guess everyone else’s feelings and deny your
own so you decide to bring her flowers because
anyway if you looked in the mirror you’d see
desire written all over your face as soft and
fragile as the purple petals of the iris she is now
holding with such shy pleasure in her eyes that
your stomach lurches with the wanting of her and
you decide your biggest fear is that she’ll say yes

Leslea Newman
Love Me Like You Mean It

it has been awhile

So I went from reading the new posts every day and writing pretty frequently to not doing either in almost a week. Ugh. I feel like I just needed to get my feet wet again, remember how to do this. Getting sick really knocked me down for a while there. But I am back. Currently I am simultaneously working on my presentation and throwing around paper ideas in my head. I’ll get back on later and write a few real blog posts tonight after my presentation is sufficiently worked on. So stay tuned for that!

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